Comments on: The Mythos of the Large Hadron Collider http://blog.sciseek.com/2008/09/18/the-mythos-of-the-large-hadron-collider/ Just another Science weblog... Mon, 16 Jan 2012 01:30:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: admin http://blog.sciseek.com/2008/09/18/the-mythos-of-the-large-hadron-collider/comment-page-1/#comment-338 admin Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:32:04 +0000 http://blog.sciseek.com/?p=155#comment-338 @JTankers Thanks for the links. I'll be sure to check them out. And very true on the poker... I've been there, done that. ;) @JTankers

Thanks for the links. I’ll be sure to check them out.

And very true on the poker… I’ve been there, done that. ;)

]]> By: JTankers http://blog.sciseek.com/2008/09/18/the-mythos-of-the-large-hadron-collider/comment-page-1/#comment-337 JTankers Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:03:19 +0000 http://blog.sciseek.com/?p=155#comment-337 Hello Joe Nolan, I recommend you play a tournament or two of Texas Hold'em poker. You quickly learn not to bet the pot too often or eventually you lose everything. JTankers :cool: Hello Joe Nolan,

I recommend you play a tournament or two of Texas Hold’em poker.

You quickly learn not to bet the pot too often or eventually you lose everything.

JTankers :cool:

]]> By: JTankers http://blog.sciseek.com/2008/09/18/the-mythos-of-the-large-hadron-collider/comment-page-1/#comment-336 JTankers Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:01:41 +0000 http://blog.sciseek.com/?p=155#comment-336 I liked the article. Thank you for not overstating what is known and what is not known. :idea: Now for a bit of poetic partisan ranting before high energy collisions might begin in October… :cool: is this wise, [17] little white lies, [1][6][7][8] one scientist cries, [3] in time everyone dies, but to win a Nobel prize… [6] safety they tried to infer, a disaster they tried to deter, Wagner[5] and Sancho[1] and Plaga[4] and Rössler[2][3], nobel their concerns were, but their concerns CERN did spurn and slur[6] risk CERN did censor,[1][7][9] populace did get tenser, holes blacker than crows? [2] strange particle mass grows? [5] earth to get much denser? will Black holes we bake? [10][11] would strange matter break? could possible harm they make? [12] did Steven Hawking blunder? [2][14][15][16] could Earth be taken under? will our world they take?[13] or just secrets of nature to tame, no black holes to grow from flame? no strange matter condensing earth? no unstoppable growth given birth? or just no one left to blame? law suits filed,[5] scientists riled,[18] collisions to begin, nobel prizes to win, god to have smiled? [17] or earth to be defiled? [2] Nuclear Safety Officer Walter L. Wagner seeks proof safety[5], Dr. Otto Rössler seeks proper refutation of his concerns[2] and Dr. Habil. Rainer Plaga proposes feasible risk mitigation measures.[4] [1] www.lhcdefense.org/pdf/Sancho%20v%20Doe%20-%20Affidavit%20of%20Luis%20Sancho.pdf AFFIDAVIT OF LUIS SANCHO IN UPPORT OF TRO AND PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION (2008) [2] www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/OTTOROESSLERMINIBLACKHOLE.pdf Abraham-Solution to Schwarzschild Metric Implies That CERN Miniblack Holes Pose a Planetary Risk, Prof. Dr. Otto Rossler (2008) [3] www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/spiritualottoeroessler.pdf A Rational and Moral and Spiritual Dilemma - Otto E. Rössler (2008) [4] arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0808/0808.1415v1.pdf On the potential catastrophic risk from metastable quantum-black holes produced at particle colliders - Dr. Habil. Rainer Plaga Rebuttal (2008) [5] www.lhcdefense.org/lhc_legal.php US Federal Lawsuit Filings - Walter L. Wagner (2008) [6] www.lhcfacts.org/?p=72 CERN?s Dr. Ellis tells only half of the story - LHCFacts.org (2008) [7] twomosquitoes.blogspot.com/2008/09/cern-wins-battle-at-wikipedia-lhc.html CERN wins battle at Wikipedia, LHC history scrubbed, TWO MOSQUITOES [8] www.lhcfacts.org/?cat=44 Culture of Superiority? (June 1, 2008) [9] www.lhcfacts.org/?cat=124 Wikipedia LHC Page is Being Altered by CERN (July 9, 2008) [10] cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/29199 The case for mini black holes, CERN Courier (2004) [11] www.photonics.com/content/news/2008/September/9/93181.aspx Threats Won’t Stop Collider, photonics.com (Sep 9, 2008) [12] www.cambridgeblog.org/tag/shahn-majid/ Particle Accelerators, CERN, and Doomsday. Prof Shahn Majid (2008) [13] www.reason.com/news/show/128492.html A 1-in-1,000 Chance of Götterdämmerung, Will European physicists destroy the world? Ronald Bailey | September 2, 2008 [14] xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0304042 Do black holes radiate?. Dr. Adam Helfer (2003) [15] arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0607137, On the existence of black hole evaporation yet again, Prof. VA Belinski (2006) [16] On the Stability of Black Holes at the LHC, M. D. Maia, E. M. Monte (19 Aug 2008) [17] www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article4727894.ece Peter Higgs launches attack against Nobel rival Stephen Hawking, TimesOnLine (Sep 11, 2008) [18] www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/09/10/do1005.xml, We must be wary of scientific research, Gerald Warner Telegraph.co.uk, (10 Sep 2008) I liked the article. Thank you for not overstating what is known and what is not known. :idea:

Now for a bit of poetic partisan ranting before high energy collisions might begin in October… :cool:

is this wise, [17]
little white lies, [1][6][7][8]
one scientist cries, [3]
in time everyone dies,
but to win a Nobel prize… [6]

safety they tried to infer,
a disaster they tried to deter,
Wagner[5] and Sancho[1] and Plaga[4] and Rössler[2][3],
nobel their concerns were,
but their concerns CERN did spurn and slur[6]

risk CERN did censor,[1][7][9]
populace did get tenser,
holes blacker than crows? [2]
strange particle mass grows? [5]
earth to get much denser?

will Black holes we bake? [10][11]
would strange matter break?
could possible harm they make? [12]
did Steven Hawking blunder? [2][14][15][16]
could Earth be taken under?
will our world they take?[13]

or just secrets of nature to tame,
no black holes to grow from flame?
no strange matter condensing earth?
no unstoppable growth given birth?
or just no one left to blame?

law suits filed,[5]
scientists riled,[18]
collisions to begin,
nobel prizes to win,
god to have smiled? [17]
or earth to be defiled? [2]

Nuclear Safety Officer Walter L. Wagner seeks proof safety[5], Dr. Otto Rössler seeks proper refutation of his concerns[2] and Dr. Habil. Rainer Plaga proposes feasible risk mitigation measures.[4]

[1] http://www.lhcdefense.org/pdf/Sancho%20v%20Doe%20-%20Affidavit%20of%20Luis%20Sancho.pdf AFFIDAVIT OF LUIS SANCHO IN UPPORT OF TRO AND PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION (2008)

[2] http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/OTTOROESSLERMINIBLACKHOLE.pdf Abraham-Solution to Schwarzschild Metric Implies That CERN Miniblack Holes Pose a Planetary Risk, Prof. Dr. Otto Rossler (2008)

[3] http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/spiritualottoeroessler.pdf A Rational and Moral and Spiritual Dilemma РOtto E. R̦ssler (2008)

[4] arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0808/0808.1415v1.pdf On the potential catastrophic risk from metastable quantum-black holes produced at particle colliders – Dr. Habil. Rainer Plaga Rebuttal (2008)

[5] http://www.lhcdefense.org/lhc_legal.php US Federal Lawsuit Filings – Walter L. Wagner (2008)

[6] http://www.lhcfacts.org/?p=72 CERN?s Dr. Ellis tells only half of the story – LHCFacts.org (2008)

[7] twomosquitoes.blogspot.com/2008/09/cern-wins-battle-at-wikipedia-lhc.html CERN wins battle at Wikipedia, LHC history scrubbed, TWO MOSQUITOES

[8] http://www.lhcfacts.org/?cat=44 Culture of Superiority? (June 1, 2008)

[9] http://www.lhcfacts.org/?cat=124 Wikipedia LHC Page is Being Altered by CERN (July 9, 2008)

[10] cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/29199 The case for mini black holes, CERN Courier (2004)

[11] http://www.photonics.com/content/news/2008/September/9/93181.aspx Threats Won’t Stop Collider, photonics.com (Sep 9, 2008)

[12] http://www.cambridgeblog.org/tag/shahn-majid/ Particle Accelerators, CERN, and Doomsday. Prof Shahn Majid (2008)

[13] http://www.reason.com/news/show/128492.html A 1-in-1,000 Chance of Götterdämmerung, Will European physicists destroy the world? Ronald Bailey | September 2, 2008

[14] xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0304042 Do black holes radiate?. Dr. Adam Helfer (2003)

[15] arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0607137, On the existence of black hole evaporation yet again, Prof. VA Belinski (2006) [16] On the Stability of Black Holes at the LHC, M. D. Maia, E. M. Monte (19 Aug 2008)

[17] http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article4727894.ece Peter Higgs launches attack against Nobel rival Stephen Hawking, TimesOnLine (Sep 11, 2008)

[18] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/09/10/do1005.xml, We must be wary of scientific research, Gerald Warner Telegraph.co.uk, (10 Sep 2008)

]]> By: Robert Marsh II http://blog.sciseek.com/2008/09/18/the-mythos-of-the-large-hadron-collider/comment-page-1/#comment-335 Robert Marsh II Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:33:23 +0000 http://blog.sciseek.com/?p=155#comment-335 The reasons to publicly debate the LHC operations, out-number the reasons not to! Everyone is invited to join a personal ongoing CERN LHC/ALICE/ATLAS Public Debate Invitational in progress, through the following link: http://thefifthknight.blogspot.com/ The reasons to publicly debate the LHC operations, out-number the reasons not to!
Everyone is invited to join a personal ongoing CERN LHC/ALICE/ATLAS Public Debate Invitational in progress, through the following link:

http://thefifthknight.blogspot.com/

]]> By: joe nolan http://blog.sciseek.com/2008/09/18/the-mythos-of-the-large-hadron-collider/comment-page-1/#comment-334 joe nolan Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:53:56 +0000 http://blog.sciseek.com/?p=155#comment-334 Genies are not so easily put back into their bottles. This is no time for cowardice. Let's stand tall, speak clearly, and step forward into the unknown. There is much to fear in our own curiosities. However, the greatest fear is the fear that prevents us from acting when prompted to move beyond the borders of the familiar. Let the chips fall. That's what the chips are for. J Genies are not so easily put back into their bottles.

This is no time for cowardice. Let’s stand tall, speak clearly, and step forward into the unknown.

There is much to fear in our own curiosities. However, the greatest fear is the fear that prevents us from acting when prompted to move beyond the borders of the familiar.

Let the chips fall. That’s what the chips are for.

J

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